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Big Brother 15 – Are Bully Tactics Wrong?

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It was a pretty quiet overnight, so I’m going to talk about something that was mentioned a lot yesterday during Helen’s pleas to the house.  During both begging sessions to Andy and McCrae, Helen brought up how she and Elissa are being portrayed as the ‘good guys’, and they should win because of that.

First off, how would she know that unless her yoga buddy is getting some hints in the DR?  Secondly, since when is Big Brother about ‘good guys’ winning?  By ‘good’ and ‘bad’ guys, I don’t mean those who are pretty shitty and take personal racist or homophobic attacks.. that’s a different kind of low that nobody likes.   The ‘bad’ guys people LIKE to root for are those like Dan, Dr Will, etc.  Those are the type of players who will do and say anything inside the house to sneak their way to $500k.  Even Ian, the ‘good guy’ winner of BB14, had to have sneaky alliances that lied to people to make it further in the game.

Let me repeat, very few are rooting for Aaryn, Spencer, GinaMarie or Amanda to win, and that’s mostly because of the stupid things that come out of their mouths on a daily basis (especially Spencer and Amanda these days).  Amanda was one of the biggest fan favorites earlier in the season until youtube clips started spreading with her dumb comments in them.

Finally, the ironic part of it all is that Helen takes 15 minutes to give this awkward motivational speech about good vs evil, bullies vs non bullies, etc, then she starts bullying people. After both speeches yesterday, Helen used aggressive, threatening ‘bully’ tactics on Andy and McCrae during their conversations.  She told McCrae that if he doesn’t vote for her, the entire ‘Brenchal Army’ is going to hate him, and everyone remaining is going to target him.   I personally don’t mind that gameplay, but Helen needs to understand that’s the type of strategy she is preaching against.

One more piece of advice for Helen if she ever reads this…. when you’re in a game like Big Brother, and you’re on the block, don’t back people into a corner and give them life lessons they were not asking for.  Last night, during the session with McCrae, Helen started bringing in his relationship with Amanda.   While what she was saying is true (you never want to marry the wrong person), don’t force advice on people who are not seeking it.  That was one of the most uncomfortable conversations I’ve seen in the house this season, and trust me, I’ve seen a lot.

When someone gives you a string of replies that consist of ‘yup’, ‘yup’, ‘right’, ‘yup’… drop it. They’re not interested in what you’re selling.

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  1. Comments (14)

    @steve beans – Great insight and post!

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      I concur!

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      Why is CBS even allowing the bullying? Why is Julie Chen not taking a stand? Why aren’t the other contestants taking a stand? If they all gathered together and confronted Amanda and then requested that she be removed — what an example to set for others. Season 9 Alexandra received a warning that bullying wouldn’t be tolerated, they kicked a guy off for hitting another player — why is Amanda still on the show? They should have nipped it in the bud early in the game and now she has escalated and watches the cameras while she is doing it. She’s testing. And CBS and everyone involved is just as guilty.

      I find it ironic that CBS published the following article about bullying (among others) — http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-41141061/is-your-boss-a-bully-that-could-soon-become-illegal/

      Maybe one of these days a BB contestant will sue them for the same reasons. Now that would be poetic.

  2. Comments (28)

    I JUST DONT GET THIS GROUPS GAME PLAY. IF ANDY DOESNT FIGURE OUT HE NEEDS TO WORK WITH THE OTHER LONERS OF THE HG, HES ON THE DAMN BOTTOM.. THEY WILL TAKE HIM OUT IN A HEART BEAT.. THEY NEED TO GET HELEN OUT BUT ALSO AMANDA.. THEN THERE WILL BE ELISSA AND MCCRAE AS SO CALLED LONERS.. THEY NEED TO GET AMANDA OUT, SHE IS A HUGE SHOT CALLER AND THAT CHIC HAS TO GO NOW… I DONT GET WHY SHES IN CHARGE CONSIDERING SHE CANT WIN CRAP.. EVEN MCCRAE HASNT WON ANYTHING IN AWHILE.. WHAT GIVES? MAKING THEM ON TOP.. SERIOUSLY PPL IF ANYONE SHOULD BE ON TOP ITS AARYN.. WINNING CONSTANTLY. DONT CARE FOR HER EITHER BUT SHE IS PLAYING THE GAME AND WINNING COMPS.

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    Steve, I agree with Carol, great post. I am also really concerned with the DR and what goes on in there that we don’t see. I love your blog, however, I do visit other blogs and this was on jokers today and I am stating it word for word.
    3:39am – Amanda comes out of DR sits on ottoman by the couch then you hear her go back into DR and come right back. She gets into bed with McCrae then back into HN room to bed.
    My question is this…why would Amanda be going into DR at 3:39am not once but twice, and why is she allowed to go to McCrae’s bed since she is a have-not and should be sleeping in the HN room? She is definitely favored by production in this game and it really makes you wonder about the theory she was prepicked to win it.

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      This is TMI, but I read she has a yeast infection and needed meds. (why does this feel so wrong….)

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        I read that she has a yeast infection and all I can say is watch out McCrae! I don’t know much about yeast infections so I googled it and guess what…men can catch a yeast infection from their partner! The article said men can also take Monistat so if we hear McCrae request it from the DR or see him doing a lot of scratching, then we know she has passed it on. With all her bragging about the sexual partners she has had, I would definitely make a doctor’s appointment if I was McCrae when this game is over!

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        Actually I think those types of tests are done as part of the medical screening for the show.

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        GM’s bulimia got by whatever medical screening was
        done by CBS/BB.

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        Um bulimia? Where did you see this??

        And seriously I’m not sure why the downvotes, but I’m pretty sure a check for STDs is part of the pre-screening process for BB. Or at least several of the liability waivers that are available online make reference to such tests.

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        Several of the HGs have discussed GM’s “problem,” including
        Aaryn complaining about GM always smelling like vomit.

      • Comments (764)

        How did Jeremy’s ringworm get through?

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        DAMN…I think I’m going to be sick! Now that was a visual I could have definitely done without! But thanks for keeping us informed…..I think!

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      Yes, I agree jojo… Amanda is not helping her case and is definitely favored.

      C’mon production!! You can see the rumors being spread around about Amanda!! At least do a better job at letting us THINK its not true >.< Gosh!

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        Totally agree! If it truly is predetermined for her to win, then the DR should coach her to actually WIN something for real.

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      Not sleeping (or lounging) on the beds when they’re a HN should be enforced. Same thing goes when they load up on HoH snacks when they’re a HN. Why is that permitted?

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      when is she not crawling into bed with McRae!..It’s so unbelievable that they are running the house from under the sheets. Check the feeds at exactly 10:10 where Amanda asked McCrae if he wanted a BJ..This girls has no shame. Does she know that besides America watching the feeds that her so-called boyfriend and his family (plus hers) are watching and listening to every word she says..

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    I have no problem with Helen and her attempt at game play…she just can’t pull it off. Never, ever play the mom card with life lessons on love or money! Tough love should have ruled. Helen should have said to Andy “listen up, I know now what your game is and if you think you get to walk through with clean hands….WRONG. Just as you have played so shall I. Jury house is going to be my game and you lose. There will be no amount of damage control on your part to counter my play with those you have duped…so you and blondie have worked hard for nothing! AManda the witch can win for all I care because I’ll make sure you lose… and your little blond dog, too! No foul, no harm. Just playing the game.” End of conversation, ball in his court till voting is done.
    I don’t get how these people could grow up and not know how to play! Parents get some board games and play with your children and do not throw the game to them, make them win on their own! Hook or crook they learn how to deal with making decisions on their own to help themselves. These people do not have a clue. My mom taught us Bridge and she play poker with us and take everything on the table, which were match sticks usually. Learn to play to win and lose to learn.

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    I don’t know who is the biggest bully…Amanda or Helen? Amanda is a passive, sneaky type of bully, who blindsides you when you least expect it. Whereas, Helen is a cutthroat type of bully, who lashes out when they don’t get what they want. I still stand behind my conspiracy theory that BB15 was rigged. I think the cats out the bag, so now the mice (production) are scrambling. Hence, all this inside information/hints.

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      I would actually say they have similar styles but they both get a bit more mean or frantic when they are on the block.

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        Survival instinct mode, when backed into a corner or threatened, what does an animal do, strikes back. Of course with Amanda she is like a rattlesnake, strikes just because you are close, (close to figuring out what the snake is up to).

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      I think it would be great if CBS on the live show, showed these houseguest exactly what America has seen the past few weeks. All the negative comments need to be aired. I think this has been the worst Big Brother I have ever scene. Everyone left is afraid to make big moves, have they forgot this is a game? The way I see it the money is going to individuals who had no problem making negative remarks on race and gender, and their reward for these comments is $$$$. CBS should have canned this weeks ago. Just my opinion.

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        Exactly. Too bad they didn’t use that reset button that Julie teased us with to reset the game with an entire new cast…how would that be for a BB first!?!

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    JOJO, I READ THE EXACT SAMETHING…I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING THAT IT SEEMS TO PLAY OUT FOR AMANDA EVERYTIME.. THEY KNOW ALOT MORE THAN WE THINK. SOMEONE IS GIVING THEM INSIGHT… AND IT HAS TO BE DR. IF SHE WINS AND BEING A HUGE TARGET IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW PPL REACT TO THE WRITE UP ON AMANDA ABOUT KNOWING A CBS PRODUCER. MAY NOT WATCH EVER AGAIN. NOT TO KEEN ON EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED WHEN THEY NO WHAT TO EXPECT AND ITS ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED WHO WINS.

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      j & b? Check your CAP locks key Hun!

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      YOUR POSTS REMIND OF WHEN MY DAD HAD A TELETYPE IN THE HOUSE YEARS AGO.

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        Awwww…..come on Big Papi. I don’t think that j&b realizes what ALL CAPS means. He/she will read these posts later and he/she will get it! Perhaps he/she is mad and wants to scream or maybe the caps lock key is truly broken? IDK… but I get the message he/she is trying to get across to us. Valid points made on both posts.

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        Nah, the caps lock thing doesn’t bug me.

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    On another note….I was always curious what Slop consisted of because I see them cooking it on the stove and baking cookies and muffins with it. I found this on the net…

    Natural oats, proprietary blend of whey protein concentrate, soy protein isolate, wheat protein isolate, milk protein isolate, natural and artificial flavors, vitamins and minerals (vitamin A palmitate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, cyanocobalamin, vitamin D3, alpha tocopherol, niacin, biotin, pantothenic acid, calcium carbonate, magnesium oxide, zinc oxide, copper gluconate, manganese sulfate, ferrous sulfate, folic acid, potassium iodide), cellulose gum, salt and acesulfame potassium.

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      I laugh whenever I hear Elissa talking about how she is deathly allergic to it. I don’t think she knows what that term means, because she clearly isn’t. She’s just trying to get sympathy because it doesn’t conform with her new age hippie BS.

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        a couple of days ago Elissa had to go to DR for urgent medical care because she was having a reaction to something she’d eaten (slop?). She was having trouble breathing and had chest pain/pressure. She seems to be an organic foods type person, so there could be something in slop that is an allergen for her & could trigger another allergic reaction.

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        I disagree with you Kecker. My daughter-in-law has serious allergies that can easily send her to the ER. Elissa could have an allergy to wheat that can give her the symptoms she complained about. Allergies can be very serious, I know since my daughter-in-law has experienced them…it can be very scary.

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        X2 jojo…my daughter has life threatening allergies to nuts, nut flavorings. Something can be ‘safe’ for a long time, then suddenly the manufacturer tweaks it a bit, and wham, daughter has an allergic reaction.

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        x2

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        Allergic reactions are nothing to laugh about, people can and have died from them.

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        I have to side with Elissa on this one. I have allergies to at least half of the items listed in that crap, especially dairy, whey and soy, not to mention the artificial stuff. I would be deathly ill if I ate the stuff.

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        She’s a health and fitness fanatic. That crap is not part of her diet.

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        she’s just tired of eating the slop and it’s making her sick. I don’t blame her, but so it goes.

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      All the elements needed for a healthy diet. Yeah I can see how they are able to cook and bake it. @ Kecker…..shame on you! Look at her lips and tell me if that’s not the first sign of an allergic reaction?

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      so its Oats and ???? a whole lot of chemicals? I remember a long time ago they used to make them eat pb&j’s for have not time. I would prefer that to that slop crap.

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        they might have stopped pbj if people have peanut allergies

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        there is so many questions/ and questionaires prior to being selected as a HG on BB. One of the questions is any allergies. I know this because my daughter was slected as one of the final possibilities to be on BB. I prayed so hard that she would not be selected and my prayers were answered. She also was glad when she seen this group of people they selected.

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        X2!

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    Bullying “tactics” are always wrong because it’s not really a tactic, it is a chosen behavior. Generally the school yard bullies grow up/mature and leave that behavior behind. However, a good number of them continue and bring that to the workplace and become “corporate superstars” because that behavior brings in the results the company wants ($$$) and the behavior gets rewarded. The underlings though pay for the bully’s behavior with the bashing and bully taking credit from underlings ideas, etc (just like we see daily on BB). And the damage done by the bullies is often severe: PTSD, major depression, health issues like high blood pressure, etc. There are documented studies out there to back this up.
    I expect to see some bullying on BB and reality shows because bullies typically are insecure but puff up and become a “big, bad wolf” to get rid of anyone whom they deem a threat, and that’s what makes for the “good tv” that producers want. However, on this season of BB, there are several bullies who most likely bully others the same way outside of the house/game. You don’t just start being a bully at these ages…they’ve been at it for a long time. They don’t think or realize they’re bullies because they’ve been doing it for so long and no one ever called them on it and held them accountable to change their behavior. And these BB bullies are vicious, beyond mean-spirited, racist, misogynist, like wild dogs on a bloody steak.
    This is not entertainment CBS/BB! You FAILED Candice and Howard because you did not step in when the racist stuff first started. You should have immediately stopped it & removed the players making the comments, set the boundaries for acceptable behaviors, again with specific consequences for violating the acceptable behaviors. (you know, kinda like what happens in the real world!) You failed your viewing public too because if you would read any blogs, you will see that the majority of your viewers and BB fans are not happy with how you’ve allowed this season to evolve into the current cesspool. OK, off my soap box now. Thanks for listening.

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    Well, I see only one scenerio left here. Whoever returns to the house needs to try exceptionally hard to win HOH or Elissa needs to win it. The two of them can pair up and then pull GM and Spencer and maybe even Aaryn in and take a shot at Amanda and McCrae. If one of them gets POV, put up Andy as replacement and vote out the remaining one (Amanda or McCrae).

    If Judd comes back, I don’t see him siding with Elissa. If Helen comes back I don’t see Spencer coming on board with her. But if Jessie comes back maybe we could see an awful lot of excitement if she wins HOH and maybe she or Elissa win POV.

    I just love it.

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    Bye helen

    Really, what has helen done all this game to put her in the position of power?
    Nothing!!!!

    gathered the girls against the guys, won one hoh….
    NO BIG MOVE…….
    Im sry but she was a average player, aryan is playing a better game….

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    Anyone can become sensitive to any grain after eating it for years..fact. Just like you can be stung by a bee and have no reaction for years in fact you may have only been stung nine times and the tenth sets off a reaction you will have forever after. Yeast infections can be caused by other things than sex…laundry soaps…meds that kill the good bacteria and chaffing…whatever, I am sure she was uncomfortable and I’m pretty sure DR does not feed anyone game changing info. Some things you know and the rest you are just guessing.

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    what was the talk about david?

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      Just how many “Anita’s” are posting on this forum? Apparently, there seems to be at least three “Anita’s” posting here. Perhaps we should put a number next to our name to differentiate ourselves?

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    Steve, I couldn’t agree with you more on this post.

    Helen was being extremely hypocritical last night with her comments and actions. I think her grave has already been dug 6 ft under and now it’s just time for us to watch her lay herself to rest.

    Also, I would like to point out that Helen’s way of bullying is much less severe than others and that’s the kind of “bullying” we are used to seeing on BB. Unfortunately, she kind of made her self look like an ass with her “Bullies are bad” speech.

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    something happened in his past that Helen feeled bad about not knowing? I was watching BADD and it went to commercial when aaryn was telling Helen.

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      When David was younger he threw a clod of dirt at a friend, hit the friend in the eye & blinded him. The family of the injured sued David’s fam, David’s fam was financially ruined,

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        thanks for the info…..how sad

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        Soooo are we supposed to feel extra sorry for him, it makes him more alluring? Mysterious? What? GM was in the storm…I’d bet all have been through the miseries life throws at all of us. Lets take five secs and move on. New rule should be “no crying in BB!”

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    Look at Jeremy’s picture at the beginning of this blog, does anyone else think he looks alot like Ashton Kutcher? Or maybe it’s just me?

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    It’s not Amanda’s yeast infection that has me concerned. It is her diarrhea of the mouth!

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    Stevebeans –
    When has BB filled the House with so many HGs “who are pretty shitty and make personal
    racist or homophobic attacks?’

    Have any HGs in previous games been fired from their jobs during the game due to their
    behavior on the show? I can’t think of one.

    CBS/BB have seen employers drop HGs and BB Fans become outraged as the weeks
    have gone by and what have they done to “handle” this mess. – Put a meaningless disclaimer on at
    the beginning of the show.
    IMO, CBS/BB has given tacit approval of the HGs horrific behavior, which if
    done in any work or school environment would have meant their firing, expulsion and/or
    possible criminal charges.
    “CBS Cares!” = OXYMORON

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      Well said…CBS, you put your foot down somewhere and stand for something. Kids have been shown it’s ok to bully, make racial comments, and make fun of gays. Very weak disclaimer at the beginning of the show. You reward these people for their words and actions with money. Way to go CBS

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      There was a HG I remember who lost his job for calling children he worked with Retards Adam Jasinski who won BB9 I believe.

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        I do remember someone was fired for using the R word & he worked with special needs kids, but I don’t remember if it was Adam or someone else.

        So BB HGs you do need to keep in mind that even though this is a “game”, your words & your actions WILL come back to bite you.

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        Thanks for the info.

        CBS/BB should have a poster of this guy up in the House
        with the following caption:

        What is said and/or done inside the BBH might very well have
        consequences for you …..outside of the House.

        The old adage – “THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!!”

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        well after the end of this season, they can do a group shot: Adam, GM, Aaryn, Amanda, Spencer.

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        Isn’t Adam in prison?

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    “She told McCrae that if he doesn’t vote for her, the entire ‘Brenchal Army’ is going to hate him, and everyone remaining is going to target him. ”

    I’ve always wondered, is truth a defense to bullying? I mean he will eventually be targetted once he figures out Amanda needs to go. Any way, Helen played a piss poor game, I just read over on online bb how she is still convinced howard and candice needed to go before Amanda and Amanda couldn’t have been targetted earlier. Utter stupidity even in hindsight, Howard was gunning for Amanda, the person who is masterminding Helen’s eviction, Amanda. She was saying on BBAD that everyone on BB15 has something “wrong” with them as in somtehing deeply and seriously messed up, but of course left herself out the mix, claiming that they wouldn’t have been casted if they were normal.

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      That’s her arrogance showing again.

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      As the saying goes, “Hindsight is 20-20” but, at this stage, Helen appears to be lacking realistic hindsight. Once she is back home, she’ll be enlightened by people close to her as to just how she was used by The Red Queen and McCrae to serve their purpose. I’m sure she’ll read some of the blogs and view the tapes of the shows as well. Oddly enough, I think what she’ll find to be the most shocking (and disappointing) is the betrayal by Stoolie the Toad, a person she considered to be a strong ally.

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    Helen goes the self-righteous route — and I hate that in what is obviously a game. I always can’t stand the players who moan about someone being sneaky or dishonest, when this is a game that HAS to have that in it. If you want to complain (and I would understand this) then complain about the morality of these reality shows, period. Because that’s what BB and Survivor are about — backstabbing or front stabbing people. I know people who never watch these shows because they hate the bad morality of so many of the players. Fine. But if you are playing, then just shut up and stop whining about sneaky players.

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    It’s been said by hg’s that Elissa has gotten things other hg’s haven’t, such as hair dye, allowed to wear bedazzled clothes (GM’s were not allowed in) and that she is receiving a higher per diem rate than everyone else (which she supposedly said herself) etc., does anyone know if all of this is true?

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      I doubt she was getting hair dye because her hair has reverted back to black/brown when it was dyed red before. I have no clue what bedazzled clothes mean, and if she is getting a hire per diem rate, so what. She brings in a large chunk of the ratings to the show, her sister is one of the most famous contestants and its obvious because she kept winning mvp. I see nothing wrong with her being paid more than completely unheard of houseguest.

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    Amanda needs to get the fuck out of that house. She’s been the biggest bully this whole season other than AARYN, GM, KAITLIN AND JEREMY!

    I root for good guys, not assholes.

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